james, did she or rick perry have any kind of organization here that rick santorum can sort of back him up? >> for michele bachmann, all of her staff left her in late october, as far as my count, she had one big endorsement in the state, a smaller tea party-type leader. but she had a moment there in june where she could take off in the state but she did not make that happen. as far as rick perry, yes, there is a strong organization, of course, for his longtime consultant, dave carney's from the state, and the team put together some impressive names. >> there are people to hire? >> people to get, yes. >> gale, rick perry, there's two ways to go when you lose what you want to do. you can do what newt gingrich is doing, or you can do what rick perry tried to do. you felt as if rick perry was trying to leave with dignity. >> there's no way he's going to do a newt gingrich. he was -- i'm not shooure why h ran for president, except people told him he could.